jv16 PowerTools 2008 Beta2 released

Those two tabs are not applicable with Vista:

tullik wrote

Probable Vista Issues - the issues described here happen with a Vista Business system. They do not happen with an XP Pro system.

http://www.macecraft.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=9324#p9324 ---- Registry Manager, two empty tabs (Vista only)

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Note: same thing occurs in PT2006 and RegSupreme Pro with Vista ...

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Note: "only for NT-based operating systems such as Windows 2000 and XP,"

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Registry manager - "new" tab, doesn't show the "contact" and "briefcase" templates.

joined the beta testing late, didn't read the previous thread on the first beta sorry.

every time I start it wants to do a quick analysis wouldn't it be better to allow the user to run it when they want instead of being prompted everytime the program starts. Maybe allow the user a choice of just updating the cache instead of doing a quick analysis.

Duplicate file finder also results in a blank window. I have a .zip file in two locations when I do a search for just .zip files the window is blank, even using the exact file name doesn't produce any results.

startup menu fixer seems to work inpredictably.

I ran a scan and I believe 16 items were listed. I selected all and pressed delete. only few items (I think 2) were actually removed.

I then closed the tool, and started it again. The scan listed 14 items. I selected all items again and pressed fix. 8 items were removed, but 6 remained on the list (see screenshot). When I then exited and re-entered the tool to run another scan, no items were listed anymore...

See screenshot of the list created after fixing the 14 items

I am not the level of power user I see among your beta testers, but I've been a heavy user of PC since the IBM XP, and used most of what you all know of as pop software in version 1.0. When I start up JV16 2008 Beta2, it does a "systems analysis that runs for a while. It wasnt til the third time I used it that I realized the needles in the two meters had moved. Perhaps I missed this because in an earlier try I both right and left clicked the meters and nothing happened. So after a few minutes, the "analyis" simply ends and the needles are displaced to rhe right, but what it means,and where I might find an "analysis" are beyond me. Don;t get me wrong, I love jv16, esp, its regcleaning capabilites, but I must be missing something on the analysis.

llynn4948 wrote

... When I start up JV16 2008 Beta2, it does a "systems analysis that runs for a while... but what it means,and where I might find an "analysis" are beyond me... but I must be missing something on the analysis.

Have you read this post ?

jv16 wrote

The PC Health is calculated from the number of registry errors and unneeded files found from the computer. The Reg Health is calculated only from the registry errors. And the usefulness is simple: to allow the user to see with a one glimpse the overall status of the computer. No need to run many tools and figure out what different numbers mean, just run the quick system analysis and you see it righ away. Or, if you don't want to see that, just use the classic PT 2007 user interface.

The file cache creation scans all the hard disk drives and therefore the analysis of how many unneeded files are in the computer was merged to that feature as well to avoid having to analyse the hard disk drives two times.

jv16 wrote

The PC Health is calculated from the number of registry errors and unneeded files found from the computer. The Reg Health is calculated only from the registry errors. And the usefulness is simple: to allow the user to see with a one glimpse the overall status of the computer. No need to run many tools and figure out what different numbers mean, just run the quick system analysis and you see it righ away. Or, if you don't want to see that, just use the classic PT 2007 user interface.

I also find this a bit confusing. If I look at Reg Health on my system, it points all the way to the right...more or less fully green. If I then look at my ex "bloat index" (now called Data stored in registry), this indicates 67/100 and a bit red (AFTER fully cleaning the registry). So, unfortunately, I am standing with my back to the wall: I read this as "not good, but there is nothing I can do about it".

Now, if I read what you state above, the Reg Health does not actually updated unless I run a quick system analysis. This makes the indicator a bit less useful, as I might as well run the registry cleaner in the time it takes to do the quick analysis with the benefit of being able to clean right away. If, however, this tool somehow updated itself in the background and provided an updated status periodically, then it would help establish when best to run the clean (or compact for that matter) - an idea for the future?

I also find myslef right clicking on the health indicators to:

1. find out what is leading to a given rating

2. see if I can directly choose a scan/fix for the status it reports

I think it would be quite useful to have this functionality added...

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Re: Empty hive list in Registry Compactor (reference - "by Jan on Wed Feb 13, 2008 1 am")

I just downloaded 2008 beta and read the comments to date. I don't know if this will help you track the problem or not, but the item: "by Jan on Wed Feb 13, 2008 1 am," in which she provides an image of the Registry Compactor hive list that is empty, is an exact duplicate of the problem I found in jv16pt2007 (& reported via tech support). I run WinXP Home SP2 (2 updates only). I tried excluding the jv16pt.exe file from DEP monitoring and excluding it from AVAST scans, but nothing changed (I have not rebooted since those changes however - would that make a difference?)

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Re: 2008 - Burying config files way down under Docs & Settings (in a TEMP file? oops!)

Application Programmers (of which I was one before I retired) these days need to keep in mind that many, many users now use applications that image and restore their system drive/partition and therefore need provide a way for their apps to continue to work properly if an older C-drive-image is restored - that is, an easy way to either relocate or backup files that need to STAY at the CURRENT VERSION when an older C-image is restored. I don't use Firefox for this very reason; in my experience, it behaves badly with C-image restores.

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My Rant: more on burying the settings file...

I much prefer settings & data where they are easy to see and backup. A lot of us use disk-imaging these days, which means we restore older system partition images from time to time, which steps back in time, shutting down Windows and writing over every sector on partition C/system partition. I relocate any data that I don't want overwritten by the C-image-restoration (My Documents, email store, settings & configuration files, and certain application data, for example) to folders on my data partition, if an application is considerate enough to permit this. That way, a restore of a C-image does not affect my data, email, settings & configurations, etc., which are backed up separately from the C-images on other HDDs.

Of course I have to keep a few file backups cherry-picked from C for other applications that offer no relocation options. With jv16pt2007, I relocated the Settings folder, but decided everything else should match whatever version of the registry was restored with an image (any guidance here?). From the description of 2008, I will want to relocate pretty much all of the other folders from their buried position in Docs & Settings back to the program folder so I can look at them easily. I've always thought that the registry was fine for the OS, but that for single-user PCs (which is most of us), there should be a less-convoluted single-user OS that keeps an application's files together in it's program folder instead of flung all over the registry and everywhere else apparently - .ini files were SO much better - a change there could only mess up ONE application - and you knew WHERE everything was. That is the one thing I really miss about Win98SE.

You are welcome to edit this; I had to have my little one-time "registry rant" - sorry. I promise to be concise and stay on point in the future.

Ann

MaggieToo9 wrote

... My Rant: more on burying the settings file... ...

All the Macecraft products are very portable. In general:

• 1. It is not necessary to install to the C: drive.
  

  2. It is not necessary to install to a Program Files directory.
  

  3. Macecraft temp files are only used during a given execution.
  

  4. The products create no product oriented registry entries and do not require any for successive executions.

The installer does create some registry entries. These are only used by the uninstaller, not by the Macecraft products. If one never runs the uninstaller (which I don't), even those entries are not required.

The rather elaborate setup shown in the attachment is in C:\Program Files. However, if I were to copy the whole thing to a data partition, all would continue to work after only a few minor edits to point to the new location. Namely,

• 1. MainSettings.dat in each Versions subfolder.
  

  2. Directories.dat in each Settings subfolder.
  

  3. Any PowerTools tasks that you may have defined to start at boot time.
  

  4. And, of course, any shortcuts used to launch a Macecraft executable.

My point? You should be able to devise a way to avoid C: altogether for all the Macecraft product components. You could then do image restores of C: with no impact on the subsequent execution of any Macecraft product.

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Is jv16 PowerTools 2008 supposed to work on Windows 98 - like jv16 PowerTools 2007 and earlier - or not?

I ask this because jv16 PowerTools 2008 beta 2 crashes Windows 98 right at the start, while it OR should work fine OR should say that the used operating system is not supported.

Jan wrote

http://www.macecraft.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=13012#p13012

This is what I mean: jv16 PowerTools 2008 beta 2 crashes Windows 98 right at the start.

Edit: Replaced the long quote with a link as adviced by Redseujac.

@Delphi

I know you are new at this forum... welcome.

When "quoting", please only select the relevant passage(s) of the quoted post and not the whole post, else it could become much too long (as in your last but one post).

redseujac wrote

http://www.macecraft.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=13099#p13099

OK, I've replaced the quote with a link, so it's short now.