jv16 2006 under Vista

bornconfused

So, after installing Vista Ultimate I went to the Macecraft site to check on whether my copy of jv16 was compatible. Yep, says right there, "All our products work with Vista"

Not a WORD about jv16 2007 beta being "more optimized" for Vista, as I've read in forum responses from jv16, and by the way doesn't that mean that jv16 2006 is LESS optimized for Vista?

Not a WORD suggesting we check the users forum for possible/potential problems, or more in depth discussion of HOW to use 2006 under Vista.

All you get is;

"All of our products are compatible with Windows Vista."

"But in order for the program to work properly, it must have full administrator rights. You can run a program with administrator rights in Vista simply by right-clicking the software and selecting Run as administrator."

Somehow the following bit from a forum response didn't make it into their "FAQ" section:

"There are some reports that the programs are unable to remove entries under Vista even if ran with admin rights. In such cases you should try the latest jv16 PowerTools 2007 beta, it has an improved support for Vista."

So I installed jv16 2006, ran it, and it completely hosed my registry. :

Thank goodness I had a recent backup image of my system, otherwise I would have been doing a clean reinstall of my system and software!

I am very disappointed, to say the least, which is real shame because up till now I've been a huge fan, even recommending it to all my friends and family.

chevalier

I agree with bornconfused.

I too installed JV16 2006 under Vista Ultimate using the Administrator options and everything seemed OK. The product identified about 300 errors and I allowed it to fix the errors. Several times I was told that it could not access certain files but after a long wait it had finished. I immediately rebooted and found myself in a "black screen of death". Only a blank screen with a moveable mouse pointer but nothing else. It just sat there for over an hour before I decided to power off and restart. I was then advised that I had not shut down properly and so I chose a safe reboot. Unfortunately, that did not work either and so I had to rebuild my system from a previous image - fortunately I took one just before I installed JV 16 2006.

In my view JV16 2006 is NOT VISTA COMPATIBLE.

chevalier

Chevalier wrote
I agree with bornconfused.

I too installed JV16 2006 under Vista Ultimate using the Administrator options and everything seemed OK. The product identified about 300 errors and I allowed it to fix the errors. Several times I was told that it could not access certain files but after a long wait it had finished. I immediately rebooted and found myself in a "black screen of death". Only a blank screen with a moveable mouse pointer but nothing else. It just sat there for over an hour before I decided to power off and restart. I was then advised that I had not shut down properly and so I chose a safe reboot. Unfortunately, that did not work either and so I had to rebuild my system from a previous image - fortunately I took one just before I installed JV 16 2006.

In my view JV16 2006 is NOT VISTA COMPATIBLE.

I have now tried JV 16 2007 RC1 and have used the Administrator option for installation and use. It installs, can be run and does not cause problems on reboot. That is a great improvement. When first run on my PC it identified "102 registry errors (154 keys and 58 entries), 23 keys and 4 of leftover data, 0 keys and 0 entries of uneeded data". However, when I allowed it to to fix these errors I was surpised by the response "All done! 0 registry errors fixed, 0 invalid registry keys and 0 registry entries removed (0B of invalid data in total)". I have performed this process several times and it always idnetifies the same number of errors despite previously having told me it had fixed the errors. I cannot see how it concludes that it is "All done" when actually it has done nothing! In these circumstances I find it difficult to understand why it is described as a "Release Candidate" unless, of course, I am guilty of incorrectly installing or using it.

Can anyone please offer any advice?

tullik

Chevalier wrote
... I have now tried JV 16 2007 RC1 and have used the Administrator option for installation and use. It installs, can be run and does not cause problems on reboot. That is a great improvement. When first run on my PC it identified "102 errors (54 keys and 58 entries), 23 keys and 4 leftover data entries and 0 entries of uneeded data". However, when I allowed it to to fix these errors I was surpised by the response "All done, 0 registry errors fixed, 0 invalid registry and 0 registry entries removed". I cannot see how it concludes that it is "All done" when actually it has done nothing! In these circumstances I find it difficult to understand why it is described as a "Release Candidate" unless, of course, I am guilty of incorrectly installing or using it.

Can anyone please offer any advice?

I think this post touches the matters you mention ...

chevalier

tullik wrote
Chevalier wrote ... I have now tried JV 16 2007 RC1 and have used the Administrator option for installation and use. It installs, can be run and does not cause problems on reboot. That is a great improvement. When first run on my PC it identified "102 errors (54 keys and 58 entries), 23 keys and 4 leftover data entries and 0 entries of uneeded data". However, when I allowed it to to fix these errors I was surpised by the response "All done, 0 registry errors fixed, 0 invalid registry and 0 registry entries removed". I cannot see how it concludes that it is "All done" when actually it has done nothing! In these circumstances I find it difficult to understand why it is described as a "Release Candidate" unless, of course, I am guilty of incorrectly installing or using it.

Can anyone please offer any advice?

I think this post touches the matters you mention ...

Many thanks for your prompt response.

Yes that reference covers the problems I have identified. Thanks to you I now know where I should look to follow the progress that is being made.

xavierxiao

Hi all,

I've been a dedicated user of JV Tools since RegCleaner and I am proud to say that it was one of the best pieces of software ever written for PC. With its help and that of Vopt (a disk defragmenting tool)I've managed to keep my outdated laptops and PC running far better than the rest of my colleagues using similar machines.

I just reccently got a huge upgrade and have the fastest machine in my workplace and am the only one running vista despite the fact that its unsupported- sooner or later we gotta switch being dependant and climatised to microsoft. However, using JV Tools crashed my system twice- both times using reg cleaner.

I'm sharing this so that developer JV himself and the staff at Mace Craft will be able to help all the dedicated users like ourselves cope, not so much with JV Tools but with using JV Tools in Vista.

I understand that it's not fair to dump OS problems that you are not responsible for but here are some suggestions in the meantime that might help us users while waiting for JV 2007:

1) Help us identify what CAN or CANNOT be done with JV 2006 in Vista.

From the various posts here, see if it is because of running registry cleaner in safe mode, or aggressive mode that causes the problem

2) Help us identify whether we need to disable User Account Control to run the program properly

3) Should we set Compatibility Mode to Windows XP SP2?

4) I made backups each time I ran registry cleaner and file cleaner but when the system crashed, restoring my registry didn't help. I got the same blank black screen as mentioned in one of the previous posts.

-Is it possible that File Cleaner has deleted some .dll files or system files?

- Is it possible that Registry cleaner has removed entries that are crucial to the Vista operating system?

Please look into this and post a reply soon for all the anxious users and fans who use JV Tools on a regular basis.

Certainly, we don't expect you to know all the answers and reasons for the unexpected crashes (even microsoft is hard pressed to do that for vista) but a transparent 'we don't know' is also a valid answer to many supporters rather than a false assurance that everything is ok and should work fine.

We want to see JV Tools work because it is a good piece of software, at affordable price. By addressing our concerns here before JV 2007 is out at least you can give Vista users a clear signal of either:

1) Do not install JV 2006 on Vista for time being, wait for Jv 2007

2) If you want to use JV 2006, then please do the following....

Hope this post meets with your understanding and action.

Do contact me at xavierxiao@hotmail.com for further correspondence

jv16

xavierxiao wrote

1) Help us identify what CAN or CANNOT be done with JV 2006 in Vista.

From the various posts here, see if it is because of running registry cleaner in safe mode, or aggressive mode that causes the problem

jv16 PT 2006 works under Vista if you run the program with admin rights (right-click > Run as administrator). There are some minor issues with PT 2006 and Vista, though. Such as PT lists some items as errors which can't be removed in Vista, so the same errors are shown in the next scans as well.

xavierxiao wrote

2) Help us identify whether we need to disable User Account Control to run the program properly

3) Should we set Compatibility Mode to Windows XP SP2?

There is no need to disable UAC or run in compatibility mode.

xavierxiao wrote

4) I made backups each time I ran registry cleaner and file cleaner but when the system crashed, restoring my registry didn't help. I got the same blank black screen as mentioned in one of the previous posts.

-Is it possible that File Cleaner has deleted some .dll files or system files?

- Is it possible that Registry cleaner has removed entries that are crucial to the Vista operating system?

It's impossible to detect which files could be removed. Therefore File Cleaner will only suggest and list files, it won't recommend any files to be removed.

In theory, it would also be possible the Registry Cleaner would have removed something critical. But if restoring the registry backup created by jv16 PT it's highly unlikely that PT's Registry Cleaner could have caused the problem.

xavierxiao

Thanks for the prompt reply.

However, what is the cause of the crash?

I experienced the same problem as Chevalier- twice in fact! having had to do clean installs both times!

It happens after I run Reg Cleaner even in Normal mode.

In my case, the issue isn;t about a long list of errors appearing, it is using Reg Cleaner crashes the system and after that I boot up to a blank screen with only mouse pointer.

That makes me hesitant to try for a third time but I really like the problem and am looking for some reassurance and advice to make sure irrecoverable crashes don't occur again.

In both cases of mine, installing JV tools was the last thing I did followed by running reg cleaner, after which i was unable to reboot and was faced with a blank black screen with mouse cursor.