jv16 PowerTools 2007 RC1 released

First time user ... but I don't think I'm doing anything wrong.

I tried several cleans with the same "zero clean" result.

rodzilla wrote

First time user ... but I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. ...

You aren't doing anything wrong -- there's a bug -- several other members have reported the symptoms (i.e., fix/remove does nothing) ...

Reply to out-of-thread post ...

nowuask wrote

With the release i the 2nd qtr, how long will the beta test last? Will we have to uninstall or just over right ? With me running Vista business, it seems that there are a lot of problems with third party sw out there. For not all seems well. I just keep looking for answers on this site.

Did you read the RC1 release announcement and the post right after it?

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It doesn't give a "final" date -- just says jv thinks there may be "one or two more RC's."

The RC's length will depend on how many bugs we find and how fast Macecraft can produce fixes.

I suspect most changes to make PT overcome certain Vista "anomalies" will come after the final. PT enhancements driven by Vista have to happen eventually, probably soon, because:

• 1. Most new PC's come with some version of Vista preinstalled.
  

  2. Microsoft is apparently selling many more Vista upgrade packages than predicted.
  

  3. That's where the market growth is ...
  

  4. Fortunately, the Macecraft products I use are already very compatible with Vista, and it is usually possible to workaround things that don't work as well as wished ...

I think most incompatible 3rd party software that has value (and revenue potential) will, in time, be Vista-compatible. Everyone's on a learning curve with Vista.

Unfortunately, many hardware venders are dropping driver support for equipment they no longer sell. Most such drivers would probably still work, but why spend staff time to repackage to Vista requirements when there is no revenue stream?

tullik wrote

rodzilla wroteFirst time user ... but I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. ...

You aren't doing anything wrong -- there's a bug -- several other members have reported the symptoms (e.g., fix/remove does nothing) ...

Ack! ... a bit of a disappointing introduction to jv16 Power Tools, but I realize the whole idea of beta testing is to find bugs at end user level, so I'll go back to using "Brand-X-cleaner" for now and wait for the next RC to appear.

rodzilla wrote

First time user ... but I don't think I'm doing anything wrong.

I tried several cleans with the same "zero clean" result.

Thanks I already thought I was alone (;-)) and yes they needto fix that

Ruben

PT2007 Beta 5 was (is, since I still use it) at least as good as the currently sold PT2006 (IMHO).

Any idea where I can get a copy ? ... http://www.macecraft.com/downloads/betas/jv16pt_setup_2007_Beta5.exe is a dead URL :(

(I don't have a license btw.)

the obsolete product name is "Shiva Security pack"

the product being desinstalled is Zonealam internet security suite 7.0

Thank you jv16 for your responses to my concerns over RC1. I wanted to reply to some of your points. Full previous comments are in another thread:

http://www.macecraft.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1934

1. Issue with running real-time AV:

You said: "Basically, many real-time antivirus products suck. For example, if a power tool, such as jv16 PowerTools scans the entire hard

disk......This can make the product to work very slow.

Another thing is when real-time antivirus scanner starts to analyze jv16

PowerTools itself....cause the program to start longer than normally....can cause the internal startup code of the PowerTools to crash and...can hang."

The problem is real-time AV scanning is here to stay. It's fair to say that major AV software programs have caused havoc for many other softwares. However, you must find a way to make jv16 2007 work stably, despite the possibilities you suggest. I don't remember any previous builds crashing or hanging because of real-time AV.

2. Interface overly complicated & configuring a chore:

You said: "Well, one can either add new features or not. If new features

aren't added the product seems obsolete and outdated, if new features are added there will be more functions (buttons, icons etc.) in the user

interface and some people can think that as the program getting

complicated."

The earlier products had a certain elegance & optimal functionality, a

nice balance. Features can be added/dropped/improved, that's cool, but it's the engine of each feature that's most important. Limit the configuration choices to a select important relative few. For example, I like to use the marking of history dates for Software & Registry entries, to easily see what has been added NEW to the registry, after installing a program, driver, etc.. So, it's important to be able to do that easily & quickly in the configuring interface. In the overall configuring sense...less is more.

3. The new registry cleaner engine, how well it works, info provided:

You said: "....new scanning module called the Leftover Software scanner which is able to find leftover registry entries and keys of uninstalled software...ability to detect entries which don't have any file or directory references.... list you the invalid or obsolete registry entries but also analyzes what happens if you remove these invalid items...it prints an organized list of the found registry errors, not the erroneous registry

entries and keys but the actual registry errors themselves. The list of

registry keys and entries is still available for advanced users, of course."

Those comments are well taken & impressive. You are creating the first reg cleaner to be able to do all that. However, this new engine detects a huge increase in the number of potential reg problems & more bogus ones, compared to your own past tools. In general, your tools have safely found & fixed more reg problems than any other software out there. To go from 50-200 problems to over 700 now detected is alarming. It's not necessary to list a bunch of entries for you here, as I see many others are reporing a similar find. With RC2, if list is still extensive, I'll send it in to you. You'll correct this, I sure, as I'm just reporting this RC1 experience. The scanning result dialog table of info needs to show critical reg error info first without scrolling all over for it & resizing everything constantly. Find a better layout. For all those reasons, I'm looking forward to testing RC2.

4. Thanks again jv for your original reg work over the years! :)

Not sure this has been reported yet. jv16 installs an icon on the desktop whenever it is executed. During installation, I chose not to have a desktop icon, rather only to install in start menu.

Not sure whether this only happens after the already reported "urt-3 tt0-0 tt0-1 debug code" messages.

I have not been able to test due to the licensing issue that has also already been reported by many.

Preference saving

Just a suggestion, jv (not a bug :)

Preference saving works just about perfectly. This enhancement would make it easier for users with many saved preferences to see what they have.

1. Instead of using a generated name for a saved preference, (for example, 06AD4E46.dat), use the user provided "Description" (for example, Installation Packages.dat). See this post for more examples.

2. If the user provided "Description" contains characters not allowed in a filename,

• a. either take out such characters or translate them to something valid (e.g., . or - or _ or a space or whatever),
  

  b. or revert to the generated name.
  

  c. If a., it should be done to the user provided "Description" itself. Otherwise 3. (next) could sometimes be false.

tullik wrote

... However, some AV products are so intrusive, it is almost like having a virus ... that you have to pay for every year. Those "suck." There are relatively unobtrusive ones mainly from Mitteleuropa. These are worth using (and paying for).

Fr'instance? How would you rate Avast?

Is no one else having the main window lose focus when using registry cleaner or is this only a problem tullik and myself are having?